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« on: November 14, 2014, 11:11:20 AM »

Got home yesterday, here are some pictures.

Having a problem posting pictures, I'll try again later.

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 01:36:57 PM »

Three more.  Stained a light color to give them an aged look and three coats of automotive clear urethane.

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 01:45:34 PM »

A lot of masking involved : first the steel then the wood for the black paint.

Brutal job, my fingertips were worn down from the sanding.

$ 1,100 for the new Firestone tires from Coker !  Original molds,  tires manufactured in Vietnam.

A funny picture of Ray Bob with his hat doing some tires.

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 05:06:05 PM »


 Wow!!!

 Beauty job! Now I can't wait to see the pics with tires and installed on the equally beautifully restored Buick.

 Mike
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1990 Brougham d'Elegance 6DW69 - Vera
1991 Seville STS 6KY69 - Clara
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2014, 06:57:47 PM »

A survivor car with 30K, all original and it runs great.

Only the wheels looked really bad but they were clean with solid white ash wood and the original paint was shot.

I've been told they were always painted black but many of the restored cars they strip the wheels down and go with the natural wood.

In this case did somebody paint the spokes yellow ? Under the yellow there was a coat of black.

Sorry I don't have any pictures of the car. it's dark green with black leather. A D35 model which has the 4 cylinder engine.

I checked eBay and we scored three nice hubcaps without any dents for $ 100 ! , his hubcaps were shot ( dents and the octagon was rounded over as if somebody used a pipe wrench or channel locks ! )

Paint and the seats are all original, if he restored those items he would be way upside down but he bought the car for a song.

Same car shown here in black and the green one has the natural wood wheels. He's going to do the tire rims silver, what he wants and what some people do. Split rim wheels, the spare is just the rim and the tire.

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2014, 07:09:37 PM »

Small picture I enlarged but these hubcaps are really nice and hard to find.

He needed a special puller unit for the rear wheels, his machine shop buddy did it that day. A 3/8" thick wall pipe with threads to match the hub where the hubcaps thread onto, a 3/8" circle welded on to one end with a hole tapped for a 1/2" bolt.

Thread the unit on, screw in the bolt and whack it with a sledge hammer and they popped right off. Should have gotten a picture but things were hectic, I worked every day on these wheels for 20 days.

Have to keep an eye out for one more hubcap.

Original 1917 Buick hubcaps found here :  http://collections.thehenryford.org/Collection.aspx?keywords=buick+hubcaps

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2014, 09:13:29 PM »


 Even your side jobs have side jobs. I can see things being hectic, working on this and the hearse.

 BTW, Eugene Richards, the Buick chief engineer, developed the first engine for Buick, a horizontally opposed twin with valves in the heads. The very first OHV engine, and Buick patented it. So every Buick built right from the get go had an OHV engine.

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1970 Fleetwood Brougham 68169 - Lucille
1987 Brougham 6DW69 - Victoria
1990 Brougham d'Elegance 6DW69 - Vera
1991 Seville STS 6KY69 - Clara
1994 Fleetwood Brougham 6DW69 - Joan
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 1BL52
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2014, 06:26:28 AM »

That is a lovely oldie. I also like the wheels showing a natural wood finish.

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2014, 07:51:21 AM »


 Even your side jobs have side jobs. I can see things being hectic, working on this and the hearse.

 BTW, Eugene Richards, the Buick chief engineer, developed the first engine for Buick, a horizontally opposed twin with valves in the heads. The very first OHV engine, and Buick patented it. So every Buick built right from the get go had an OHV engine.

 Mike

We swapped labor. Ray installed my new exhaust system, used a whole bottle of gas and he got all my Y pipe studs out, heated it up cherry red. Sweet sound with the Magnaflow SS muffler. Red Angel sealer product in my AC system and he charged it up with R 134, blows ice cold. New Interstate battery which is top rated, my starter took a dump and he installed a new one. Installed my General Grabber AT2 tires. All terrain with 1/2" deep tread.

Weird thing was my ground cable at the PS pump just fell right off, as if the stud just melted in half, broke off flush and it was dirty on the ends , fell off as soon as I touched it, new ground cable with a fusible link.

All ready for winter.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2014, 09:06:10 AM »


 Cool. Bartering, the original economy.

 Mike
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1970 Fleetwood Brougham 68169 - Lucille
1987 Brougham 6DW69 - Victoria
1990 Brougham d'Elegance 6DW69 - Vera
1991 Seville STS 6KY69 - Clara
1994 Fleetwood Brougham 6DW69 - Joan
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 1BL52
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2014, 10:21:30 AM »

Red Angel sealer product in my AC system and he charged it up with R 134, blows ice cold.

Which refrigerant did it have before and originally?  Was any compressor lubricant removed/added?
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2014, 10:36:25 AM »

R 12 freon, might have been the last year for R12.

He did the very same thing on a Dodge Caravan and it worked well so I trusted him.

My original AC system slowly died and I've had no AC for five years so I had nothing to lose, blows ice cold now.

http://store.gobluedevil.com/a-c-stop-leak-49496/

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2014, 11:39:29 AM »

Since the system slowly died, chances are there wasn't a significant leak; all refrigerant hoses carry a normal rate of leakage per foot.  There's not much information on that site beyond the testimonials, but I would guess it works like others where it forms a precipitate when exposed to air/moisture.  None are effective on compressor shaft seal issues.

The main consideration in adding R-134a to an original R-12 system is lubrication.  525 viscosity mineral oil is not miscible in R-134a; it's literally an oil (non-polar) and water (polar) situation.  When the lubricant can't be "carried" by the refrigerant, most of it settles in low spots and doesn't reach the compressor, similar to what happens when the system is operated on a low charge.  Sump-less compressors like an R4 will fail sooner than an A6.  The R-134a conversion kits contain a lubricant package (usually POE) which is polar.  The trouble is that making this addition will effectively double the lubricant volume in the system which decreases heat transfer ability.  It's much cheaper in the long run to stay with R-12 or use a hydrocarbon blend (close to 60% R-290 and 40% R-600a).
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2014, 12:06:57 PM »

I'm sure that's all true, see what happens next summer.

I'll share Kevin's comments with Ray and see what he has to say.

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2014, 01:06:07 PM »


 For my money, and because of the ODC requirements, I stay with HC refrigertants. In my opinion R-134A is an inferior refrigerant, while HC is superior to both that and R-12.

 Mike
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1970 Fleetwood Brougham 68169 - Lucille
1987 Brougham 6DW69 - Victoria
1990 Brougham d'Elegance 6DW69 - Vera
1991 Seville STS 6KY69 - Clara
1994 Fleetwood Brougham 6DW69 - Joan
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic 1BL52
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